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A worldlang is a planned language for use in international communication. In the past, most proposals for international languages were mostly based on European patterns. This wiki is primarily for languages that try to break out of that pattern.
Patwa, Noxilo, Sanua, and Sasxsek.
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Jens Wilkinson (JW)
]]> Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:37:47 +0000 mod http://worldvocabulary.pbwiki.com/FrontPage email.hidden@example.com (Jens Wilkinson) Jens Wilkinson edited FrontPage What is a worldlang?
A worldlang is a planned language for use in international communication. In the past, most proposals for international languages were mostly based on European patterns. This wiki is primarily for languages that try to break out of that pattern.
Planeta, http://patwa.pbwiki.com, Neo Patwa, Sanua, and Sasxsek.
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Jens Wilkinson (JW)
]]> Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:36:25 +0000 mod http://worldvocabulary.pbwiki.com/FrontPage email.hidden@example.com (Jens Wilkinson) Jens Wilkinson edited FrontPage What is a worldlang?
A worldlang is a planned language for use in international communication. In the past, most proposals for international languages were mostly based on European patterns. This wiki is primarily for languages that try to break out of that pattern.
Some worldlang proposals are, in alphabetical order, Ardano, Ceqli, Lingwa di Planeta, http://patwa.pbwiki.com, Sanua, and Sasxsek.
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Jens Wilkinson (JW)
]]> Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:35:22 +0000 mod http://worldvocabulary.pbwiki.com/Phonology email.hidden@example.com (Florent) Florent edited Phonology]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:07:45 +0000 mod http://worldvocabulary.pbwiki.com/Phonology email.hidden@example.com (Florent) Florent edited Phonology]]> Thu, 22 Nov 2007 22:30:12 +0000 mod http://worldvocabulary.pbwiki.com/FrontPage email.hidden@example.com (Larry Sulky) Larry Sulky commented on FrontPage I'm out for a few days. Hope to be back mid-next week.]]> Thu, 22 Nov 2007 22:09:33 +0000 com http://worldvocabulary.pbwiki.com/Phonology email.hidden@example.com (Larry Sulky) Larry Sulky edited Phonology]]> Thu, 22 Nov 2007 18:42:27 +0000 mod http://worldvocabulary.pbwiki.com/Grammar email.hidden@example.com (Larry Sulky) Larry Sulky edited Grammar It is best for a worldlang to be relatively uninflected. Word shape should not change. (JW) (RK)
Regardless of the decision on word order, I submit that using separate (not affixed) particles for marking parts of speech is preferable to relying on word order or inflection. (LS)
order? (KW) (JW)
Certainly it's necessary to distinguish particles and how they connect words. I'm referring to grammatical roles for lexicals that are implied only by word order, *without* particles. For example, relying on word order for a listener to know that in &]]> Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:31:35 +0000 mod http://worldvocabulary.pbwiki.com/Phonology email.hidden@example.com (Florent) Florent edited Phonology]]> Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:04:03 +0000 mod http://worldvocabulary.pbwiki.com/Grammar email.hidden@example.com (Jens Wilkinson) Jens Wilkinson edited Grammar It is best for a worldlang to be relatively uninflected. Word shape should not change. (JW) (RK)
Regardless of the decision on word order, I submit that using separate (not affixed) particles for marking parts of speech is preferable to relying on word order or inflection. (LS)
Larry, just as a question, if you don't rely on word order, then how do you know if the particles refer to the words before or after them? Wouldn't making a choice of prepositions versus postpositions already be making a decision about word order? (KW)
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]]> Tue, 20 Nov 2007 02:28:08 +0000 mod http://worldvocabulary.pbwiki.com/Phonology email.hidden@example.com (Larry Sulky) Larry Sulky edited Phonology I suggest considering /ja/ and /ia/, etc., allophones. Then it's simply a matter of orthography. I personally find spellings like "kui" and "uanai" visually prettier than "kwi" and "wanay", but that's a teeny-tiny point. (LS)
Well, that's why they are called "semi-vowels" because they are in that grey area between vowel and consonant. It's that position of uncertainty that leads me to just one phoneme for the whole range. (DN)
otherwise. The omission of /eu/ and /oi/ is not defensible by this rationale, admittedly. (LS)
Triphthongs
The following triphthongs should be allowed: /iai iau uai uau/ (DN) (LS) (JW)
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One important issue is the range of /w/. It may be helpful to expand it to cover /v~V~w/. Or /v/ can be an allophone of /w/. (JW) (LS) (FG) (RK)
I'd favor a broader phoneme /v~V~w/ (/j/ is OK). (FG)
I suggest considering /ja/ and /ia/, etc., allophones. Then it's simply a matter of orthography. I personally find spellings like "kui" and "uanai" visually prettier than "kwi" and "wanay", but that's a teeny-tiny point. (LS)
Well, that's why they are called "semi-vowels" because they are in that grey area between vowel and consonant. It's that position of uncertainty that leads me to just one phoneme for the whole range. (DN)
With the preceding six comments in mind, let me suggest the following as permissible diphthongs (and considering /i/ ~ /j/ and /u/ ~ /w/): /ai au ia io iu ua ue ui/. The design point is that the the two components of each diphthong are always at least]]> Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:04:46 +0000 mod http://worldvocabulary.pbwiki.com/Grammar email.hidden@example.com (Larry Sulky) Larry Sulky edited Grammar Head first or head last? (DN)
Personally I don't think that the word order of adjectives or genitives is something that we can achieve a consensus on, or that we should. I think it is reasonable for a worldlang to go either way. (JW) (RK)
As long as words are marked in some way, this is reasonable. Relying on "common sense" to know which of two adjacent lexicals is the modifier and which is the modified would not be optimal. (LS)
]]> Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:50:05 +0000 mod http://worldvocabulary.pbwiki.com/Grammar email.hidden@example.com (Larry Sulky) Larry Sulky edited Grammar Considering the fact that speakers of different language groups will use it, a worldlang should not force the use of grammatical categories. Items like number, tense, and case should be optional if included at all. (JW) (RK)
It is best for a worldlang to be relatively uninflected. Word shape should not change. (JW) (RK)
Regardless of the decision on word order, I submit that using separate (not affixed) particles for marking parts of speech is preferable to relying on word order or inflection. (LS)
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]]> Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:47:32 +0000 mod http://worldvocabulary.pbwiki.com/FrontPage email.hidden@example.com (Florent) Florent edited FrontPage This is a collaborative project to create materials to help the development of worldlangs.
What is a worldlang?
international langauges languages were mostly based on European patterns. This wiki is primarily for languages that try to break out of that pattern.
Editors
Jens Wilkinson (JW)
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If maximum aural comprehension is paramount, the consonant inventory should be limited to these. This makes adaptation of world vocabulary more difficult, but still conceivable because words that fit this limited phonology can usually be cherry-picked (though it may end up with quite a lot of borrowing from Tongan). This also makes for long words, but brevity is not necessarily the virtue that we often think it is.
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The sounds /m/ and /n/ should definitely be included. The sound /N/ is more complicated. Many languages do not make a distinction between /N/ and /n/, and<]]> Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:59:55 +0000 mod http://worldvocabulary.pbwiki.com/Grammar email.hidden@example.com (Risto Kupsala) Risto Kupsala edited Grammar Grammar
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It is best for a worldlang to be relatively uninflected. Word shape should not change. (JW) (JW) (RK)
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I see only two real considerations here. Either SVOor SOV because they are the most common. I tend to favor SVO because of it's convenient to have the verb as a separator between subject and object allowing one or the other to be more easily omitted. (DN) (LS)
It's possible and viable to circumvent the entire issue of fixed word order with lexical and contextual means. Therefore I support free word order. (RK)
order. (JW) (JW) (RK)
Genitives
Head first or head last? (DN)
Qualifiers
Head first or head last? (DN)
way. (JW) (JW) (RK)
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Considering the fact that speakers of different language groups will use it, a worldlang should not force the use of grammatical categories. Items like number, tense, and case should be optional if included at all. (JW)
It is best for a worldlang to be relatively uninflected. Word shape should not change. (JW)
Syntax
Reference
I see only two real considerations here. Either SVOor SOV because they are the most common. I tend to favor SVO because of it's convenient to have the verb as a separator between subject and object allowing one or the other to be more easily omitted. (DN) (LS)
It's possible and viable to circumvent the entire issue of fixed word order with lexical and contextual means. Therefore I support free word order. (RK)
For a worldlang, there are three reasonable choices for word order. It should be either SVO or SOV or permit free word order. (JW)
Genitives
Head first or head last? (DN)
Qualifiers
Head first or head last? (DN)
Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:37:57 +0000 mod http://worldvocabulary.pbwiki.com/Grammar email.hidden@example.com (Larry Sulky) Larry Sulky edited Grammar Greenberg'sUniversals
Basic Word Order
SOV because because they are the most common. I I tend to favor SVO because of it's convenient to have the verb as a separator between subject and object allowing one or the other to be more easily omitted. (DN) (DN) (LS)
It's possible and viable to circumvent the entire issue of fixed word order with lexical and contextual means. Therefore I support free word order. (RK)
Genitives
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